Curse

jazilla · Oct 26, 2010, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Swingline

Most gws players detest raw pvp such as HA and GvG bc the super hardcore pvpers take it way too seriously(I cant stress the serious part enough). Any casual pvper cannot match them bc they make gws pvp into a job when instead it should be as anet intended it to be... fun. This is why I think they made the decision to make zaishen title into a pvp title and also for ppl to be able to buy it.

yeah, i imagine that is one of the reasons. there is also a very good PvP community out there but you can't hear their collective voice above that of the terrible sounds coming from the mean players out there. it's this way in any multi-player component of any game though. still, i think my reason and your reason are parts of a whole.

Spookii · Oct 26, 2010, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Swingline

Most gws players detest raw pvp such as HA and GvG bc the super hardcore pvpers take it way too seriously(I cant stress the serious part enough). Any casual pvper cannot match them bc they make gws pvp into a job when instead it should be as anet intended it to be... fun. This is why I think they made the decision to make zaishen title into a pvp title and also for ppl to be able to buy it.

Sort of agree with this.

PvP is really not that fun unless you're willing to put in the same effort/time that hardcore players do. I'd love to try different PvP, but I'm not one of those people who can put up with that. I /ragequit too easily. I stick to lower forms of PvP like the festival games and JQ/FA.

And I mean, technically, you can PvP your way to the top of the ZTitle even if most people don't. So for those people, it would be a genuine PvP title. Err, should we take that from them?

It makes sense if they had this mindset, although it still seems somewhat ... unfortunate.

jazilla · Oct 26, 2010, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by Spookii

Sort of agree with this.

PvP is really not that fun unless you're willing to put in the same effort/time that hardcore players do. I'd love to try different PvP, but I'm not one of those people who can put up with that. I /ragequit too easily. I stick to lower forms of PvP like the festival games and JQ/FA.

And I mean, technically, you can PvP your way to the top of the ZTitle even if most people don't. So for those people, it would be a genuine PvP title. Err, should we take that from them?

It makes sense if they had this mindset, although it still seems somewhat ... unfortunate.

if you go back through some of my posts on this topic, i addressed how it is off-putting that you will get your z-key title by doing pvp BEFORE you will get the actual title of the PvP format you are participating in because of z-bounties for pvp. it is my opinion that you should get the HoM statue of the format you are playing in before you get the z-statue for your hall. As it stands now, you don't have to get to r6 hero or r3 Glad because you will get to the required z-rank for the HoM statue long before you would ever get to the PvP statue you are doing to get the Title, so why PvP? Just buy the zkeys. That is the major disconnect I see with the way things are set up now.

Spookii · Oct 26, 2010, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by jazilla

if you go back through some of my posts on this topic, i addressed how it is off-putting that you will get your z-key title by doing pvp BEFORE you will get the actual title of the PvP format you are participating in because of z-bounties for pvp. it is my opinion that you should get the HoM statue of the format you are playing in before you get the z-statue for your hall. As it stands now, you don't have to get to r6 hero or r3 Glad because you will get to the required z-rank for the HoM statue long before you would ever get to the PvP statue you are doing to get the Title, so why PvP? Just buy the zkeys. That is the major disconnect I see with the way things are set up now.

I see, that does make it a little more awkward. It's hard to imagine that ANet would overlook something like that, though. It seems like it'd be obvious to them. But hey, this *is* ANet we're talking about.

I think I said on this thread before, I'll probably never get the PvP title just because of the reasons I mentioned in my last post (unless they keep the ZTitle and I decide to fork out the cash for it). Maybe they were right before and ANet just wanted to give people who do small-time PvP the chance to get a PvP title. Sounds backwards, but it sort of makes sense.

I still think they should switch ZTitle and Lux/Kurzick.

JONO51 · Oct 26, 2010, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by Spookii

I still think they should switch ZTitle and Lux/Kurzick.

Why? You can get r3 k/l in 3-4 hours, less on a double weekend, thanks to mqsc and dtsc. No pvp required and way less effort than ztitle even.

Spookii · Oct 26, 2010, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by JONO51

Why? You can get r3 k/l in 3-4 hours, less on a double weekend, thanks to mqsc and dtsc. No pvp required and way less effort than ztitle even.

I've never understood why the monument only required R3.

And mostly because people do max their titles by doing PvP. There are always exceptions, but the entire idea of Kurzick/Luxon is PvP based.

But that's just me. That's how *I* get my faction.

If it really bugs people so much, then add the Gamer title as PvP instead. <.<

Pritst Of Death · Oct 26, 2010, 08:14 PM // 20:14

for the argument of people who would legitly get there zashian title through pvp like ha or gvg or ra chances are the ammount of time taken to gain that much balth would've gotten them a pvp title other than zashian meaning that they wouldn't need zashian to fall back on

RedStar · Oct 26, 2010, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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for the argument of people who would legitly get there zashian title through pvp like ha or gvg or ra chances are the ammount of time taken to gain that much balth would've gotten them a pvp title other than zashian meaning that they wouldn't need zashian to fall back on

They could get it by JQ/FA/AB. If now we have to know where they got the faction...And unless you get those 400 glad points without ever losing, chances are you will first get the zaishen title before any other PvP title.

Hooper287 · Oct 26, 2010, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Not enough people are pvp'ing because to them, it isn't rewarding, and if you think about it, it really isn't that rewarding. For those of us who have been trying to HA or GvG this whole time...it's f--king impossible to join a group, and if you join a randomway or something, the chances of winning are 1%? Joining a guild that does PvP isn't always easy either. You guys HAVE to be able to look at both sides of the story. While HCore rank 9 pvp'ers can flaunt and say they only want r9s in their group, little nubs like me are sitting there wondering how in the hell we're ever going to ACCOMPLISH A PVP TITLE.

Pritst Of Death · Oct 26, 2010, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by RedStar

They could get it by JQ/FA/AB. If now we have to know where they got the faction...And unless you get those 400 glad points without ever losing, chances are you will first get the zaishen title before any other PvP title.

i wasn't counting ab fa or jq becasue they didn't count the factions titles as pvp so i was excluding those areas from it. and for ra yes you wouldn't have enough to have it in the hall but chances are at least r1 in glad or maybe r2

and you need 1 mill balth faction for r3 zashian so u could have gotten r6 hero before that ammount of balth faction chances are you would get zashian first but u would have some type of pvp rank and willing to get the rest normaly instead of relying soley on zashian

JONO51 · Oct 26, 2010, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by Spookii

I've never understood why the monument only required R3.

And mostly because people do max their titles by doing PvP. There are always exceptions, but the entire idea of Kurzick/Luxon is PvP based.

But that's just me. That's how *I* get my faction.

If it really bugs people so much, then add the Gamer title as PvP instead. <.<

idk man most people i know max (or do the large majority) via dtsc/mqsc. Or at least I did. 3 years or we of ab etc to 4 mil. Then this comes along and after several double faction weekends I'm at max. I am 100% for gamer to be pvp though as it is a pvp title, even if it is casual pvp.

Lanier · Oct 27, 2010, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by JONO51

idk man most people i know max (or do the large majority) via dtsc/mqsc. Or at least I did. 3 years or we of ab etc to 4 mil. Then this comes along and after several double faction weekends I'm at max. I am 100% for gamer to be pvp though as it is a pvp title, even if it is casual pvp.

I guess you and I know different people then because most of the people who I know with max lux/kurz got it entirely from AB. I myself got almost all of my lux title from AB, though it isn't quite max yet.

Spookii · Oct 27, 2010, 12:49 AM // 00:49

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Originally Posted by Lanier

I guess you and I know different people then because most of the people who I know with max lux/kurz got it entirely from AB. I myself got almost all of my lux title from AB, though it isn't quite max yet.

Exactly where I'm coming from. I don't know how I'm missing all of these people. Everyone I know who has it did it through some form of PvP.

But then again, even after playing for 4 years, it's still fair to say that I haven't met everyone on the game. Just weird that I haven't heard about it.

RedStar · Oct 27, 2010, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Maybe I'm forgetting something, but before july 2007 you only won 1000 factions in AB. So you needed to win 10 000 matches in AB, let's say you won one AB every 15 minutes, you needed 2500 hours to achieve it. Not a lot of people maxed it exclusively by AB at that time (very few did).
(Thought of something : did you always got double faction toward your title for giving faction to your guild/alliance ? If you did then divide those numbers by 2).

Now if you are talking about today : AB is fun, but really when something can get you ten times more factions with less chances of losing, it's quite normal that more than 75% of those that maxed it did it by DTSC/MQSC (even without a SC group you can vanquish those Drazach in 25 minutes and Mount Qinkai in 20, earning 14-17k).

Missing HB · Oct 27, 2010, 11:03 AM // 11:03

@ guy above : you got 10000 factions maximum , it says enough why you don't deserve PvP statue ...

Anyway , with the recent stacks of ToT bags that everyone can make , getting r3 zaishen is a total joke seriously....( Sell , go again , etc.. ) ...

matter of time · Oct 27, 2010, 12:01 PM // 12:01

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

@ guy above : you got 10000 factions maximum , it says enough why you don't deserve PvP statue ...

Anyway , with the recent stacks of ToT bags that everyone can make , getting r3 zaishen is a total joke seriously....( Sell , go again , etc.. ) ...

stop selling zkeys ... it won't be a joke

drkn · Oct 27, 2010, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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stop selling zkeys ... it won't be a joke

This.
I wonder how many times those who advocate for changing Zaishen into PvE title sold their own ZKeys in GToB or Kamadan.

jazilla · Oct 27, 2010, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by upier

I identify myself as a PvE player.
And this is my Balth faction:

A rough estimate would be that 1,4 - 1,5 mil BF from that is from FA. The rest is from the rest of the PvP modes.

So, why am I not deserving of a PvP statue?

ahh, someone who didn't bother to go through and read a lot of the well thought out posts in here. I think you are asking the wrong question Upier. This thread has zero to do with FA and everything to do with the Z-Title. If you feel that FA needs to count for a PvP Title, I suggest you make a thread about it.

MithranArkanere · Oct 27, 2010, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by drkn

This.
I wonder how many times those who advocate for changing Zaishen into PvE title sold their own ZKeys in GToB or Kamadan.

Well, one thing is for sure.

MOST of keys sold come from PvP.
3 daily non-repeatable quests can in no way beat Balthazar faction, tournament points, and repeatable ZQuests.

So, at least that's that for sure. They COME from PvP.

Opeth · Oct 27, 2010, 03:54 PM // 15:54

all of you are forgeting something:

we can group guildwars population in 3 different groups:
1- Players who like and only play PvE
2- Players who like and only play PvP
3- Players who like both and play both.

I can understand why players from group 1 want zaishen title as a pvp title, that way they don't need to play an aspect of the game they dont want to and still be rewarded as if they played it.
For players in group 2, i also understand why they think its unfair if players that don't play pvp have a statue on HOM saying otherwise, however most of these players don't really care about hom or futurecome rewards.

As for players in group 3, people who actually enjoy pve and also like high-end pvp (such as ha and gvg) this is very unfair - they did exactly what the people from group 1 did (all missions, all vanquishes, all titles) and got rewarded for it, they also did what players from group 2 did but they didnt really got rewarded for it (hom wise).

Now, a player that is both good at pve and pvp (and yes there are lots of them) in the future, when gw2 comes, will have exactly the same rewards and titles as a person that is only good at pve.